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发信人: hillfan (Hill), 信区: Law
标  题: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 21 10:16:36 2011, 美东)

可能是跟我share网络的人用bitTorrent download了一部电影,异或是网络被人盗用,
有一个叫Copyright Enforcement
Group的公司,声称是那部电影版权所有人的代理,发现我的IP在下载那个电影,但是
只能检测到我的ip地址,不知道我是谁,于是发信给charter,让他们转发给我,让我
接收pre-settlement,去他们的网站上(copyrightsettlements.com)交钱(200美元)
,然后他们会给个release。如果过期不交,他们可能会起诉我。

问题是charter不会把我的信息给他们,除非他们去找法院,法院给charter一个
subpoena要求charter把我的信息交给他们,他们才能起诉我。

可要是我付钱,就得在他们的网站上输入我的个人信息和信用卡(只能这样付钱),他
们又不是什么律师事务所,据说就是debt collector,通过恐吓来达到赚钱的目的,让
下了他们东西的人投降交钱免除后患。他们得到了我的钱和个人信息,难保他们不追加
我的责任。

下面是charter给我的email,包括转发的投诉者的email。我是本来不打算理睬他们的
,毕竟他们会起诉的几率非常小,就算起诉了,他们也是有责任证明是我download了他
们的东西的,这在网络技术上,是不完全可靠的。我问过一个IP律师,他建议“My
guts feeling is not to pay and take the risk of being
sued. ”对这个问题有相似经历或知晓的朋友们请给些建议,多谢。


Dear Charter Internet Subscriber:

Charter Communications ("Charter") has been notified by a copyright
owner, or its authorized agent, that your Internet account may have
been involved in the exchange of unauthorized copies of copyrighted
material (e.g., music, movies, or software).  We are enclosing a copy
of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) notice that Charter
received from the copyright holder which includes the specific
allegation.

Under the DMCA, copyright owners have the right to notify Charter’s
register agent if they believe that a Charter customer has infringed
on their work(s).  When Charter receives a complaint notice from a
copyright owner, Charter will notify the identifiable customer of the
alleged infringement by providing them a copy of the submitted DMCA
notice.  As required by law, Charter may determine that the customer
is a repeat copyright infringer and reserves the right to suspend or
terminate the accounts of repeat copyright infringers.

It is possible that this activity has occurred without your permission
or knowledge by an unauthorized user, a minor who may not fully
understand the copyright laws, or even as a result of a computer
virus.  However, as the named subscriber on the account, you may be
held responsible for any misuse of your account.  Please be aware that
using Charter’s service to engage in any form of copyright
infringement is expressly prohibited by Charter's Acceptable Use
Policy and that repeat copyright infringement, or violations of any
other Charter policy, may result in the suspension or termination of
your service.  You may view Charter's rules and policies, including
Charter’s Acceptable Use Policy, under the policies section of
charter.com.

We ask that you take immediate action to stop the exchange of any
infringing material. For additional information regarding copyright
infringement and for a list of frequently asked questions, please
visit charter.com/dmca.

If you have questions about this letter, you may contact us at
1-866-229-7286.  Representatives will be available to take your call
Monday through Friday 8am - 8pm, Saturday and Sunday 8am - 5pm (CST).


Sincerely,


Charter Communications Security Resolution Team
http://www.charter.com/security


--- The following material was provided to us as evidence ---



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SCE5

***NOTE TO ISP: PLEASE FORWARD THE ENTIRE NOTICE***
September 26, 2011
Re: Notice of Unauthorized Use of Registered Copyrights Owned by Third
Degree
Case #: Pxxxxxx

Dear Sir or Madam:

This notice is intended solely for the primary Charter Communications
internet service account holder. Someone using this account has
engaged in the illegal copying and/or distribution of  movies. This
notice may contain the titles of those movies, and therefore may
contain text that is offensive to some readers.

Copyright Enforcement Group, LLC, ("We") represent Third Degree. Third
Degree owns all right, title and interest to the registered copyrights
listed below.

Evidence:
Infringement Title: xxxx
Infringement File Name: xxxx.DVDRip.XviD
Infringement Hash: xxxxxx
Infringement File Size: 1345555554 bytes
Infringement Protocol: BitTorrent
Infringement Timestamp: 2011-09-xx xxxx North American Eastern Time
Infringers IP Address: xxxx
Infringers Port: xxxx




You are hereby notified that your unauthorized copying and/or
distribution infringes the registered copyrights under
the U.S. Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 106. In this regard, demand is
hereby made that you and all persons using this account immediately
and permanently cease and desist the unauthorized copying and/or
distribution of the registered copyrights listed in this notice or
otherwise owned by Third Degree.

You may also be held liable for monetary damages, including attorney's
fees and court costs if a lawsuit is commenced against you. You have
until Saturday, October 26, 2011 to access the settlement offer and
settle online. To access the settlement offer please visit
http://www.copyrightsettlements.com/ and enter Case #: Pxxxxx and
Password: xxxxx. To access the settlement offer directly please visit
https://www.copyrightsettlements.com.

Settlement Information:
Settlement Website: http://www.copyrightsettlements.com/
Case #: xxxxx
Password: xxxxx


If you fail to respond or settle within the prescribed time period,
the claim(s) will be referred to our attorneys for legal action. At
that point the original settlement offer will no longer be an option
and the amount will increase as a result of us having to involve our
attorneys.

Nothing contained or omitted from this correspondence is, or shall be
deemed to be either a full statement of the facts or applicable law,
an admission of any fact, or waiver or limitation of any of the Copyright
Owner's rights or remedies, all of which are specifically retained
and reserved.

The information in this notice is accurate. We have a good faith
belief that use of the material in the manner complained of herein is
not authorized by the registered copyright owner, its agent, or by
operation of law. We swear under penalty of perjury, that we are
authorized to act on behalf of Copyright Owner.

Sincerely,

Dale Spislander
Copyright Enforcement Agent

Copyright Enforcement Group, LLC
8484 Wilshire Boulevard, Suite 220
Beverly Hills, CA 90211
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发信人: cuicuicui (cuicuicui), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 21 17:46:12 2011, 美东)

"问题是charter不会把我的信息给他们,除非他们去找法院,法院给charter一个
subpoena要求charter把我的信息交给他们,他们才能起诉我。"
--如果是P2P下载他们一般都有足够的证据让法院发subpoena, not a problem

“我是本来不打算理睬他们的,毕竟他们会起诉的几率非常小”
--correct

“就算起诉了,他们也是有责任证明是我download了他们的东西的,这在网络技术上,
是不完全可靠的。”
--wrong in US, correct in Europe.  In US, the defense "my wireless router has no password" has never
succeeded.  Plantiff only needs to prove that it is "more likely than not" that the owner of the IP address is the
person who downloaded.



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发信人: hillfan (Hill), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 22 23:40:30 2011, 美东)

I can't agree with you more.What I decide to do now is to bet and take the
risk of being sued. Do you think it's better than giving myself out and
trying to stop them put me to court? Do anyone have the similar experience?
Thanks!
【 在 cuicuicui (cuicuicui) 的大作中提到: 】
: "问题是charter不会把我的信息给他们,除非他们去找法院,法院给charter一个
: subpoena要求charter把我的信息交给他们,他们才能起诉我。"
: --如果是P2P下载他们一般都有足够的证据让法院发subpoena, not a problem
: “我是本来不打算理睬他们的,毕竟他们会起诉的几率非常小”
: --correct
: “就算起诉了,他们也是有责任证明是我download了他们的东西的,这在网络技术上,
: 是不完全可靠的。”
: --wrong in US, correct in Europe.  In US, the defense "my wireless router
has no password" has never
: succeeded.  Plantiff only needs to prove that it is "more likely than not"
that the owner of the IP address is the
: person who downloaded.



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发信人: zha (zha), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov  8 20:41:09 2011, 美东)

请问你最后是怎么解决的?我也遇到同样的情况啊,还是学校给我发的信。崩溃了
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发信人: bizbiz (mmm), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov  8 21:54:08 2011, 美东)

just ignore it.
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发信人: zha (zha), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov  8 22:47:37 2011, 美东)

【 在 bizbiz (mmm) 的大作中提到: 】
: just ignore it.


请问您遇到过类似情况?ignore以后没事吗?万一他告学校,然后学校把我供出来怎么
办啊?望指教
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发信人: cuicuicui (cuicuicui), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov  8 23:24:08 2011, 美东)

Basically there are two options: (1) pay; (2) pray.

【 在 zha (zha) 的大作中提到: 】
: 请问您遇到过类似情况?ignore以后没事吗?万一他告学校,然后学校把我供出来怎么
: 办啊?望指教



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发信人: zha (zha), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov  8 23:29:18 2011, 美东)

【 在 cuicuicui (cuicuicui) 的大作中提到: 】
: Basically there are two options: (1) pay; (2) pray.


对的,pay了算了,多一事不如少一事,买个踏实
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发信人: catbert (mimi), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 16 16:18:26 2011, 美东)


【 在 zha (zha) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对的,pay了算了,多一事不如少一事,买个踏实

从一个朋友的角度说,交钱买个教训;
从法律角度说,证明你下载没有问题,证明你share了或者
make available了不那么容易。只是下载应该没有那么多钱。
如果share了,一部电影找你要2000美元跟玩儿似的。
或说回来,留个案底对今后生活多有不便,没事不打官司。
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发信人: hillfan (Hill), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 21 21:11:09 2012, 美东)

最后没甩他们,也没再收到其他消息。一个IP律师告诉我,pay和不pay都是有风险的,
但他直觉是不要pay,冒他们sue我的风险。
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发信人: katiesong (katiesong), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr  7 15:49:56 2013, 美东)

hillfan, 后来你再有任何消息吗?
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发信人: katiesong (katiesong), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr  7 18:47:26 2013, 美东)

我同学也收到了类似学校发的信。后来学校有没有再找你呢?
【 在 zha (zha) 的大作中提到: 】
: 对的,pay了算了,多一事不如少一事,买个踏实



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发信人: hillfan (Hill), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 24 22:15:40 2013, 美东)

后来他们没再理我。现在邻居又碰到了这个事,吓得不得了。求pray
以下是一个朋友的朋友(IP律师)给回复的建议供大家参考。
********
So this is a tricky situation. Copyrightsettlement.com is probably a
legitimate company. Its working model is probably uploading files to P2P
network, and finding the IP downloading the file. Then it will send a letter
to ISP and ask ISP to send the letter to the Internet user for collecting
money.

Therefore, it is true that at the moment copyrightsettlement.com does not
likely have the identity of your friend. And if you pay through the website,
then it will have your identity. From this point of view, you should not
pay. And even you pay, there is no guarantee that there will not be future
suit.

However, copyrightsettlement.com does have the option to sue. There is no
way to figure out whether it is the owner of the copyright of the file that
your friend downloaded. If it does, it indeed can sue. Of course, suing
someone is not cheap and time consuming. So copyrightsettlement.com may not
want to go that far to collect money.  From this point of view, not paying
does have the risk to be sued.

This decision has to be made by your friend. I don't think there is perfect
solution here. My guts feeling is not to pay and take the risk of being
sued. I think voluntarily giving up your identity and admitting infringement
is a bad idea.

The best advice is really NEVER illegally downloading. It is as illegal as
drunk driving.
**********


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发信人: syuan (头), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 25 08:57:01 2013, 美东)


要是我就不理。

结合网上搜的,自己瞎猜了几点不理的原因。
(1)它不是版权所有人,也没有提供任何证据,它代理版权所有人。
(2)这个Presettlement不是经过法院的, 没有任何效力。由于它不经过法院,理论上
你交了钱,别人还是可以告你。
(3)你交了钱,等于是承认是你非法下载了有版权的文件。而且你在它网站上提供的各
种信息都能被它用来做以后告你的证据。你不理,他要想证明是你下载的,反而要费些
周折。
(4)你交了一笔钱,就会成为它们的easy target,以后你的这类信只会多不会少。

另外还是建议你不要顺便下载版权的东西。哪怕真忍不住要下载,也要注意时间地点,
不要轻易授人以柄。

【 在 hillfan (Hill) 的大作中提到: 】
: 后来他们没再理我。现在邻居又碰到了这个事,吓得不得了。求pray
: 以下是一个朋友的朋友(IP律师)给回复的建议供大家参考。
: ********
: So this is a tricky situation. Copyrightsettlement.com is probably a
: legitimate company. Its working model is probably uploading files to P2P
: network, and finding the IP downloading the file. Then it will send a
letter
: to ISP and ask ISP to send the letter to the Internet user for collecting
: money.
: Therefore, it is true that at the moment copyrightsettlement.com does not
: likely have the identity of your friend. And if you pay through the
website,
: ...................



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发信人: hillfan (Hill), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 25 12:47:16 2013, 美东)

看来你也做了不少research,这些也是我看到的不理他的比较合理些的解释了。其实还
是有被sue的风险,现在关心的是被sue以后的走向。站内的hj630正跟troll斗争,希望
大家支持,希望他取得最终胜利。
【 在 syuan (头) 的大作中提到: 】
: 要是我就不理。
: 结合网上搜的,自己瞎猜了几点不理的原因。
: (1)它不是版权所有人,也没有提供任何证据,它代理版权所有人。
: (2)这个Presettlement不是经过法院的, 没有任何效力。由于它不经过法院,理论上
: 你交了钱,别人还是可以告你。
: (3)你交了钱,等于是承认是你非法下载了有版权的文件。而且你在它网站上提供的各
: 种信息都能被它用来做以后告你的证据。你不理,他要想证明是你下载的,反而要费些
: 周折。
: (4)你交了一笔钱,就会成为它们的easy target,以后你的这类信只会多不会少。
: 另外还是建议你不要顺便下载版权的东西。哪怕真忍不住要下载,也要注意时间地点,
: ...................



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发信人: HuChunhua686 (胡春华), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 31 12:28:06 2015, 美东)

我在垃圾邮件里也看到这样的邮件了。请问需要付钱吗?
会不会是付钱了之后就是承认下载了?

谢谢!
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发信人: cactusthorn (cactus), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 31 18:15:14 2015, 美东)

GENERALLY SPEAKING, SETTLEMENT CANNOT BE USED AS EVIDENCE.

【 在 HuChunhua686 (胡春华) 的大作中提到: 】
: 我在垃圾邮件里也看到这样的邮件了。请问需要付钱吗?
: 会不会是付钱了之后就是承认下载了?
: 谢谢!



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标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 31 18:16:30 2015, 美东)

BUT, ONCE YOU PAY, YOU GIVE OUT MORE PERSONAL INFORMATION.

【 在 cactusthorn (cactus) 的大作中提到: 】
: GENERALLY SPEAKING, SETTLEMENT CANNOT BE USED AS EVIDENCE.



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发信人: HuChunhua686 (胡春华), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 31 18:21:37 2015, 美东)

How about borrowing other's card to pay?


【 在 cactusthorn (cactus) 的大作中提到: 】
: BUT, ONCE YOU PAY, YOU GIVE OUT MORE PERSONAL INFORMATION.



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发信人: josephp (大炮巨舰), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 收到了Charter转发的Notice of Copyright Infringement
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 31 18:26:59 2015, 美东)

用torrent下电影最傻了
去资源站找网盘下载
国内的百度云,旋风qq,欧洲的uploaded.net,rapidshare,rapidgator这些网盘,两
年也就不到200美元,可以安全无忧地下几千部蓝光原盘了

PS,我老当年有个室友十多年前收到过类似信件,那还是电骡子时代,不理,这么多年
了,一点事没有,phd毕业都多少年,炮友都发展成老婆生了一堆娃了
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